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Feb 1, 2021

Color terms

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Read Coffman policy

The LRP in collaboration with residents has developed a Vision/Mission/Values statement for Coffman.  The intention is for committees and residents to interact with these principles in mind, to build and live a values-based community.
  • Vision/Mission/Values Statement

There are other rules & regulations that relate to AIC:
  • Board Regulation 6 -- Structure and Operation of Committees (2012)
  • Board Regulation 20 -- Policy Statement for AIC (2011)
  • Manual of Operations, p8 (2015, 2018)

Hallway Presentation

Sharon's Presentation  -- click to download or view

CRI: 
CRI is a quantitative measure of a light's ability to reproduce the colors of objects faithfully in comparison with an ideal or natural light source. In general terms, CRI is a measure of a light source's ability to show object colors "realistically" or "naturally"

Lighting Kelvin:   The "warmer" light colors , such as a 2700K incandescent bulb or a 1700K candlelight, are more easily reproduced than more neutral white lights, such as 4800K direct sunlight, and thus usually have higher CRI ratings in alternative light sources such as CFL and LED bulbs; "warmer" light (redder) naturally renders colors less accurately. Think of how the world looks at sunset (2000K) compared to high noon (5600K).

Discussion of using lighting in your home
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Color temperatures higher than 4000K are commonly used for commercial and hospital applications, because as we mentioned, the light is very bright and has a bluish daylight cast, which can be too harsh for home interiors. However, certain task lighting like in a basement workshop or home office can often be useful at 4000K and above, so it’s important to keep in mind that the following are guidelines and the choice is ultimately up to you. "

 Action item due Feb 1:

I have a number of large photos of carpets from the rep in patterns you generally like (but maybe not colors we like).  I am going to set them out in the dining room tomorrow morning, after I let Lorie know about it.   You may want to look at them, and share your thoughts on the PATTERN (recognizing that patterns can be colored to our liking).

1.  Attached are carpet samples that were most liked by you.  If you want to write up which you liked, and maybe include some ideas of preferred colors for each, for a more comprehensive concept that we can send to everyone and the reps, please do that!!

2.  It is important that we have your thoughts on preferred colors.  Here are some samples to view to inspire or frighten, depending....

https://mspmag.com/home-and-design/2021-color-trends/

https://www.1666coffman.com/uploads/1/2/2/7/122749380/sherwin-williams-alive-2020-forcast-colors_orig.jpg

https://www.1666coffman.com/uploads/1/2/2/7/122749380/sse_orig.png

https://www.1666coffman.com/uploads/1/2/2/7/122749380/sherwin-williams-blue-clay-taupe-white_orig.png

https://www.1666coffman.com/uploads/1/2/2/7/122749380/livingroom.jpeg

Carpet Tiles catalogue

We have said we want these three colors, in some way.  I'm interested to refine that understanding so we can make requests with color to our reps. 
a. a gold/yellow?        (which would you like?)
b. a teal or light blue?    (which?)
c. something in a terra cotta range?

Margaret says she likes the three colors in the Noursin, so I have attached that rug.  I see Gold, Blue and Grey on this, but no terra cotta.

Please indicate colors to help us tell the rep, that would be helpful.

Guest Room report

Status of Guest Rooms

Action item completed: Carpet preference summaries from AIC members

We have been discussing carpeting since November.  Here are statements from individual members on their preferences.  Anonymously, for egalitarian reasons.

Comment 1:
To return to some of the earlier discussions on carpets, I still like the example of the Nourison Blue/beige although it would require finding a similar rug since this one only exists in area carpets. I like the oriental rug-type background scattered pattern with what I believe is called an overdye of shaded blue, light grey & beige, with touches of mustard or gold that gives a muted somewhat abstract look to the pattern. This gives a very contemporary look while remaining in a classical vein. I have looked at many similar rugs on line, so perhaps the rug companies we have been looking at can come up with something close to it. I have not seen anything I liked as much among the samples presented to date. The weight of the rug should be thicker without being high/low, and we should think to avoid outgassing which could be unhealthy, and bad for the environment.

While these would be my preferences, let us please remember to keep in mind the overall design of the building, particularly walls, mini-lobbies and lighting. In paint there are many whites available for the walls which would brighten the looks, and including the trim in the main color would increase the sense of space everywhere, as well as eliminating the extra expense of detailing. The long windowless halls need artworks and spotlights like those now in the galleries to highlight the art; the spotlights are easily installed on sensors. The carpets should help the general inviting sense of lightness and being at home, and avoid a feeling of hotel or institution. This building is our home, both inside our apartments and in the public spaces, let’s not forget. I hope some of these ideas might help us in making our choices; thank you for the opportunity to make suggestions !

Comment 2:

Broadloom vs Tile:  I find carpet tiles to be a bit industrial feeling -- as a result of the stiffer feel, and look.  They are used for places with a high level of traffic, or dirt, like a buffet area.  If this were a nursing home, I might feel it was appropriate.  But we're not there yet.  I prefer the slightly richer look and feel of a broadloom.  The agent we spoke with also agreed broadloom would normally be the choice for a complex like ours.  

Color:  I like the colors of the attached rug photos.  (IMG_7067, and livingroom)  I think they have the right colors, plus a few additional ones.  We need to discuss this a bit more, I think, to settle on some colors.   

Patterns:  I would very much like to see a plain outer field, around a patterned central field.  The outer field could be in a much lighter color than we could otherwise use on the floor, as it will not be walked on.  This light color would add a pop of flair, as well as lighten the hallways.  When I say plain outer field, I would not be opposed to a border, as well, but at the very least I would like to see a plain outer field used to complement a patterned central ground.   

I prefer some kind of patterned carpet, not a completely abstract.  This building is not contemporary in style, and I feel we should stay with something that is not overtly contemporary.  Something modern looking, bright, and with an irregular pattern to hide dirt.  I very much like the rugs such as the Nourison, where there is a background pattern, with some overlay that makes it look "faded."  Although I worry that the Nourison colors were a bit too light, and would show dirt -- we should be able to find the right colors, once we settle on a pattern.  We also need something that is not too far out, as most people here will expect something fairly traditional.   Just knowing the psychology of change, something similar to what we currently have will be the easiest sell, but we know we do not want something with the small regular pattern we have now, since it so easily shows dirt.  But sticking with something not too far from traditional should help ease acceptance.  I have attached a photo of the carpets recommended in the 2009 design study (flooring).  They proposed a border.  Another option they put forward (which I don't have to send you), had a simpler border and a biophillic design (abstract plants), instead of the tiny dots in the central ground.
 
Comment 3:
i can see possibilities in tile and in broadloom.  I do like the sample below you furnished which is abstract.  The only negative is the white splotches would show the dirt.  The pattern is flowing and attractive.   For color choices, I prefer warm terra cotta,, a bit of gold and blues or greens.  I liked some of the samples upstairs in the social room now.  I also liked some of the samples is the Nourism catalog.  A border will only work with  more Oriental or traditional patterns.  I agree with your choice of colors and maybe going more abstract.  I feel  we are making some progress.

Comment 4:

The samples in the Social Room are better in terms of pattern than many we have seen, but I feel the predominant colors of grey and brown are too dark.  My preference would be in hues of blue with beige and as Margaret suggested perhaps touches of mustard or gold. And I feel a simple border could be be beneficial.

I think broadloom is best , especially for hallways —something bright rather than dark as the hallways are long.  I concur with Margaret’s paragraph on the overall design of the building.
 
People are now receiving shots and I feel that by spring we will be able to have rug sellers come in so that they can see our environment and we can all discuss our needs and wishes and colors together.  March is coming soon and we want our choices to be sound and beautiful.

Comment 5:
There are so many aspects to this question that it would take many pages to cover all of them in detail.  Here are some salient points:

Tile vs. broadloom:  I haven’t seen any tile  designs I care for.  There is a much greater selection in broadloom.  In addition, I am somewhat troubled by the idea of a designer putting together a rug pattern from tiles we pick.  It seems like we would be delegating the carpet selection to another person, or at least complicating the process more than if we select a broadloom carpet.  Of course broadloom manufacturers have design teams that make decisions about color, layout, etc.  It seems that a tile designer would add another level of complexity.

Rug weight:  this is an important point . At least for the Mohawk cut carpets that were on display in the dining room, the 9- ounce through 26 -ounce carpet weights looked  thin, more like an under layer than a nice finished carpet   They seemed as though they would wear out more quickly. They only look acceptable at the 36 ounce weight. Loop carpet is not a good idea for  heavy traffic area like our corridors,

Rug pattern:  After looking at many samples, I have come to prefer a flowing abstract/distressed pattern. If it is in the right colors, it would blend well with the Mediterranean style of the building.  (see below.) With  these flowing color blends, soiled spots would be less evident.  If we were to choose a more traditional carpet,  it should have a simple classical design.  A large repetitive pattern would appear overwhelming  when  looking down the halls. I liked some of the samples in the booklet that was passed around a couple of weeks ago that showed a variety of fields and borders, but no one else seemed to care for it.  Since we returned it to Cathy with our notes, I don’t have the specific references.

Colors:  shades of terra cotta, blue, off-white or beige, perhaps with additional colors as well (earth, sky, stone tones).  There should be a minimum of three colors.  One  problem with  some of the samples we’ve seen is they only show two colors, or even shades of  just one.  I also feel there should be more blend than contrast.  An area rug with lots of contrast can look exciting, but looking down the hall  can appear splotchy or overly blatant. Small spots of a darker  or contrasting color could work but not large areas.

Note:  these are  general color suggestions.  I do not think we should try to decide on a specific palette before finding a carpet.  It’s unlikely it would be available in exactly the colors we preselect.

 Borders:  I think that an offset, in other words a narrow one-color outer strip, or perhaps a strip with two mixed colors in a lighter tone than the field, is a better choice for us than a border like the one we have now.  Though patterned borders can be attractive, given the fact that our halls are less than six feet wide in some areas, a border would make them look narrower. (This was commented on in the 2009 architectural review.) I do not think that laminate is a good choice; it is susceptible to scratches and to buckling if water gets under it. Moreover, it has a colder, more institutional look.  I feel we should stick to natural materials in the building.
 
Specific carpet choices:
So far, I haven’t seen any samples I’d like to put on the floor. 
I don’t care for any of the Mohawk samples that were on view in the dining room.  The Mohawks  we found interesting were Baroque and Bastille, with different colors. We could look at them again.
I liked the Shaw foundry Persian II if we could get the right colors. 
Of the Interface carpets, I preferred “desert shadow”.  Generally the colors shown were muted modern—dove, mushroom, mouse. 
Were there any patterns we have viewed in the last many months that we should take a second look at? Are all patterns available on the website?
I’m attaching a picture of a small abstract rug that I have sent before.  I like the colors and the natural feel and flow.
Colors are approximate
 
 
Some Issues that I see going forward :
  1. Are the types of patterns  I/we like available in commercial carpet? 
  2. Can we get the type and number of colors we want without paying an extra custom cost?  Are my/our preferred color combinations available at all?
  3. It is difficult to get a group of people with  strong and disparate tastes to agree.  There seems to be some consensus for abstract design at this point.  I don’t think unanimity can be achieved; how can we start to compromise and move forward now? 



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